Boat advice absolute beginner

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Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:50 pm

Hi all!

My name is Micha Lok,
Live in Delft (Netherlands) 44y old
Only paddled for 5 minutes but instantly hooked.
The misses and I got an offer to buy 1 glasfiber sea kayak and a glasfiber touring Kayak (Dutch boats and from 1985)
1 Friso Waddentrotter L490cm W56 cm
1 Valley weekender L443cm W60 cm D32cm
2 nylon splash guards
2 Lendal peddles
4 new rubber hatch covers

they have no discoloration what so ever!!! And for 400 euros
Is the width an important factor for an absolute beginner?
(since I don't even know how to enter a kayak without help yet hahaha)
Won't be going out to the coast before lessons though

Thanks in advance

Micha

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:39 pm

You're perfect brother.
I couldn't get in a kayak without assistance until recently. Usually semi floated the stern and pushed off the beach with hands, or bow first if waves. I'm your age and slim, my best mate is 63 and not the most athletic bloke. He has no problems with 5m at 56cm width. We only go out on flat waters. The boats we use are similar lengths widths. 5m 56cm and 4-4.5m 60ish beam. I have kayaked before, he hadn't kayaked before. He hasn't used the shorter boat as he likes to low aggression paddle along and much likes relying on rudder. I see sweep like snake trails with mind. Besides I don't physically fit well into the longer boat.
Glad you love paddling.
Shorter wider is normally more stable. As written my old mate has 20 years on yourself and he didn't have any experience . On flat water he pretty much perfect, longest 1/2 day 14km

Must wear pull tab on outside of skirt is habit needed when putting on spray skirt.
Best of luck Micha,
Kind regards Nathan

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:17 am

Thank you very much!
Guess I got my first kayak!
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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:42 am

She's beautiful mate.
Congratulations.

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:56 am

I'm no expert, just an opinion.
Thanks for picture Micha, that style of boat is my preferred style. Beginner to expert, the type of boat that too me is perfect. Doesn't look like rudder nor skeg hence quick wash/ very low maintenance. Shaped to be fun on flat or bumpy surfaces.
Honestly, I'm keeping a spare kayak that is a bit slower than your lovely lady because light, easy and no breaky thingys and currently about 30-40 years old.
That's a really beautiful girl Micha, I'm sure you helped ease mind of others looking into getting onto our waters.
Simple and elegant

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:17 pm

Really appreciate the detailed feedback,
Rather get opinions from users than factories,
Now all that is left is getting over the insecurity of tipping over and destroying this old school boat.
"insert happy dance here"

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:57 pm

That's what I use. Love her much
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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:24 pm

Sweet ride!
Downside for me is that I have to shove it through my apartment window to store it, guess I need to make a sacrifice in the name of kayaking

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:23 pm

:D Cheers.
Making me laugh. Can't stop giggling.
Get foam or rollers to protect window and boat.

My mate I scored boat from asked me today about the black duck, 40 MPH military inflatable bought cheap cos couldn't paddle up hill long but never used cos looks like a big seal hence upgrading to a sturdy long 'yak soon to cover uphill miles instead.
Anyway told him no problems, you use it but I no rescue you if big teeth like giant stink meal.
Probably use above as big black duck life raft soon :lol:

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:50 pm

Guess they are right, we are in between swims hahaha
I got a beach towel ready, this is going to look hilarious when I shove a glasfiber boat through my window

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Mac50L » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:46 pm

Learn how to do a two-boat rescue. Learn how to do a connected tow. Be prepared to raft-and-run if conditions get bad fast. Hopefully there is land down-wind, maybe not where you want to be but dry. Not many drown on dry land.

http://www.kask.org.nz/rescues-how-to/

The two-boat rescue can be practised on land. Note kayaks can face either way (same way or opposite ways) despite what some say. Rescuer put their weight on the fore deck of the kayak being rescued while the swimmer is getting in. Weight for stability and easier to hold on. The rescued kayak can accidentally be capsized away or towards you while someone is getting in.

Kayaks - my partner's 5.2 metre x 62 cm beam, mine 5.02 metre x 510 cm beam. Yes we use rudders. Yes we build our own. Yes we are a few decades older (3+).

Kayak in the window - make a clip-on roller to fit on the window-sill. Make life easy.

At 44 years old you are just a kid so a lot to learn yet.

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:54 pm

Mac50L

Good thing I love to learn!
Thank you for the supplied links and valueble information!

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:04 pm

And quality gaff tape. (Might be duct tape though I think it called gaff tape). High quality tape is bee's knee's, worth it's weight in gold.
Cheap tape no good, peels off and polutes while moisture than able to get in again.
Quality tape covers excellent. Cost not much more than a few dollars (guessing similar euros) and can prolong repair requirements.
Sea kayak rescue is a nice book on eBay, I don't agree with towing diagram due to steerage yet it has plenty of team play practices.

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:13 pm


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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:22 pm

Folks, we ( the big boss of this house and I) really appreciate the warm welcome and tips.
Hope we ever get to yak together.
Love this forum already

Astrid and Micha

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Mac50L » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:30 pm

Micha Lok wrote:Folks, we ( the big boss of this house and I) really appreciate the warm welcome and tips.
Hope we ever get to yak together.
Love this forum already
Astrid and Micha

If you ever get to paddle "down-under", it's a bit like Scotland but warmer and no midges - OK sandflies on the West Coast and bigger in Fiordland. Interesting rugged coastlines. Sheltered and open water paddling, golden sand beaches, bush clad hills, blue waters. How about caves and tunnels and reefs and empty beaches and.....

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Micha Lok » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:25 am


If you ever get to paddle "down-under", it's a bit like Scotland but warmer and no midges - OK sandflies on the West Coast and bigger in Fiordland. Interesting rugged coastlines. Sheltered and open water paddling, golden sand beaches, bush clad hills, blue waters. How about caves and tunnels and reefs and empty beaches and.....


Never been down under, new Zealand and Australia are on my must have been theres though

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:27 am

Don't intend to be rude, menstral cycle is a killer. No scent and they're docile. 1 drop 5 miles and they are a beautiful display of power beyond displacement.
Most days are sunny here. Amen

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Boatsie » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:35 am

I'm wrong about docile.. Limited vocabulary

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Re: Boat advice absolute beginner

Postby Mac50L » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:04 am

Micha Lok wrote:Never been down under, new Zealand and Australia are on my must have been theres though

I think New Zealand is better. Australia has the worst/most dangerous - snakes, spiders and crocodiles in the world. Dangerous place though I'll admit to bicycling and kayaking there ..... and surviving.


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